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Storing Meat Without Refrigeration
Texas, USA
March 20, 2011 - 11:16 am
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Reading and thinking is one thing. Actually doing it is another thing

altogether. With Curtis Conrad's excellent guidelines on storing meat

without refrigeration, there are a thousand details that pop up when you

do it.


I used a 8 quart kettle on the stovetop to heat the meat in the third

step. With the first batch of beef (brisket) and the chicken, I used a

wet cure in large kettle in the refrigerator. On the second batch of

beef (steak fingers), I used a dry cure in a 2 gallon Ziploc bag in the

refrigerator. I think the dry cure/Ziploc bag method is less trouble and

just as good.

I have a 9 tray Excalibur Dehydrator that I used to dry the meat

after curing and a small Model DZ-280A Vacuum Sealer from Sorbent

Systems to vacuum pack the final product.

I am still unclear on how critical it is to remove fat. Most of the

flavor in meat is in the fat so a completely fat-free product is nearly

tasteless. On the other hand, I am told that fat turns rancid even in a

sterile environment. My approach was to remove all the fat I could

without getting radical about it and hope for the best. Time will tell.

Beef – First Batch


9/30/10 Notes:

  1. Bought a 7 lb 13 oz Trimmed beef brisket


    and trimmed it some more to get 6 lb 3 oz of lean meat. There is a lot

    more fat and connective tissue in a trimmed brisket than one might

    expect. Original cost = $20.96; Cost of lean meat after 20% trimming

    loss = $3.35/lb

  2. Cut into strips (with the grain) ~ 1/4" thick. Trimming and slicing took about 45 minutes.
  3. Cover with water in pan with tight lid


    and heat to constant 165 F. (Yes I used a thermometer) and move to oven

    set at 170 F (to hold temp without cooking) for 2 hours.("Broth" was

    reddish and meat was white in color) Temperature did hold above 160 F.

    I think this wet heat treatment will kill all bacteria (I think it was

    a Univ of Ohio study that recommended this). I used the broth to make a

    pot of beans. There was a moderate amount of grease floating on the


  4. Shook meat strips dry, washed pan and


    covered meat with brine (2 lb salt in 3 qts water). Let sit in

    refrigerator for 2 full days. The meat was still whitish but took on a

    leathery consistency. (additional fat floated to the top).

  5. Shook off excess brine and put in


    dehydrator for 2 hours at 130 F, turned temp to 145 F for 1 hour and

    then to 155 F for 2 more hours.

  6. Put in plastic bag in refrigerator


    overnight to let remaining moisture equalize. Most of the pieces were

    slightly dryer than snack jerky and a lot saltier. Weight at this point

    was 2 lb 5 oz. Cost at this point = $9.06/lb.

  7. Put in dehydrator at 155 F for 4 hours. Finished product weighed 2 lb 2 oz and cost $9.86/lb (not counting time and supplies)
  8. Vacuum packed in bags containing 6 – 7 oz each. This represents a little over a pound of lean brisket in each package.
  9. In a week or two, I will open one of the packages, make some beef stew and give a report on how it reconstitutes and cooks.


After 4 months, the dried beef is about

like it was. I took one of the smaller packages, rinsed it thoroughly in

cool water to get as much salt off it as possible and put it in two

cups of hot water to sit for a couple of hours. It reconstituted to meat

like salty brisket. This needs to have more rinsing and soaking to

remove more salt.

Adding potatoes and onions without any

additional salt made acceptable beef stew. The brisket cut with the

grain is tough even after cooking.

There are 5 vacuum packs remaining. It is hard and brittle.


Beef – Second Batch


Modifications from above:

  1. Use am 8:3 salt-sugar mixture to cure the meat. This is supposed to reduce the salt flavor without harming the cure.
  2. Add Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) to retain red meat color without the toxic problems of nitrates.
  3. Use a dry cure in a Zip lock bag instead of a brine cure.
  4. Add a little vinegar (2 teaspoons) to keep after there is some liquid in the bag to keep pH low.



about 8 lbs steak (Strip Tips and eye of round) into 1/2” strips,

covered with water and brought to about 140 degrees on stove top.

Covered and put into oven at 170° for 4 hours.

Put meat in colander and rinsed with cold water. Let drain. Meat is whitish.

Put meat in large

zip lock bag and added about 2 cups of dry-cure mix (4 lb salt, 1 1/2 lb

sugar and 2 tbs of fruit fresh (ascorbic acid)). After mixing well to

get all meat covered with salt, I put it in the refrigerator to cure.

The salt draws the moisture out of the meat and in about 12 hours, there

was enough water in the bag to dissolve all the cure mix. The ascorbic

acid caused the meat to turn an appetizing red color.

I plan to let it cure for at least 10 days before drying and packaging it.


Added about 1 cup of salt and 1 teaspoon of vinegar to the bag. I have been turning and mixing it every day in the bag.


  1. Removed meat from


    bag, rinsed in colander, let drip dry. Meat is firm and reddish brown

    in color. (Discard curing juices and salt in dumpster because I don't

    want that much salt in my septic system). Wet weight = 5 lb 12 oz (23%

    weight loss from fresh)

  1. Put in dehydrator for 1 hour at 140° and 3 hours at 155°. Meat is dry and tough to hard. Weight = 4 lb 5 oz. (41% weight loss from fresh)
  2. Put in plastic storage bag in refrigerator overnight so remaining moisture can equalize.


Dehydrated at 155° for 4 hours. Final weight = 3 lb even (weight loss from fresh = 60%). Meat is dry and hard.

Vac pack in 8 – 6oz bags, each representing a little over a pound of fresh meat. Put 4 of these bags per gallon bag for storage.

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Chicken Notes


  1. Bought 10 lb (11 pieces) Chicken Leg Quarters (this is just drumstick, thigh and a bit of backbone) for $5.48
  2. Removed skin and fat to get 7 lb 6 oz of lean quarters with the bone in. Cost at this point = $0.74/lb
  3. Cover with water and heat to 165 F (Yes I used a thermometer). Place in oven at 170 F to hold temp for 2 hours.
  4. Bone and separate muscle bundles to get


    drying size pieces. This yielded 3 lb 6 oz of lean boneless dark

    chicken meat. Cost at this point = $1.62/lb

  5. Covered with brine (1.25 cup salt, 1.25


    cup brown sugar, 2 tsp Cajon seasoning in 2 qts water) and refrigerated

    for 2 days. I skimmed off maybe half a cup of fat during this

    process. (I reduced the salt and added sugar and spices after the

    finding the beef done previously was very salty)

  6. Put in dehydrator for 1 hour at 130 F


    and 3 hours at 155 F. Meat was white to light brown and very pliable

    at this point. Wiped some greasy pieces with a paper towel. I was

    surprised to find the chicken was a lot greasier throughout the process

    than the beef brisket dried previously.

  7. Bag and refrigerate overnight to let


    remaining moisture equalize. At this point there is 1 lb 13 oz of

    chicken with the flavor and consistency (it is pliable) of moderately

    salty jerky. Cost = $3.02 / lb at this point.

  8. Dry for 3 hours at 155 F. Now there is 1


    lb 10 oz of dried chicken that cost $3.37/lb (not counting time and

    supplies). It is hard (not pliable like jerky) and tan to light brown

    in color (the greasy spots are darkest brown). You would classify this

    as dried chicken, not jerky.

  9. Vacuum pack in ~ 5 oz bags representing the lean meat from about 2 Chicken Leg Quarters.
  10. In a few days, I will make chicken


    noodle soup with one of these and give a taste test report. It will be a

    couple of years before we will know if this is suitable for long term

    storage or not.


After four months in the refrigerator, there is no discernible

difference in appearance. I opened one of the bags and soaked the dried

chicken in water for 24 hours, rinsing and replacing the water 4 times

to remove as much salt as possible.

I boiled it for about 5

minutes. It looks and tastes like fresh cooked boned chicken. The cajon

seasoning flavor intensified as did the brown sugar taste. Otherwise, I

don't think you can tell the difference, certainly not in a soup or

casserole dish.

What I would do different:

Use white sugar instead of brown and leave out the spice.

Use a dry cure in a Zip Lock bag instead of a wet cure.

Add some ascorbic acid to help retain fresh appearance and lower pH.

Other notes:

I heated the meat to 165 F in water before curing because I read that

botulism bacteria will go dormant with dry heat and grow later. Higher

temperatures than about 170 F begin to cook the meat, changing both

flavor and consistency.

Several studies mentioned that removing

the fat was very important because it will go rancid by a

non-bacterial chemical process over time and give the meat a bad


Since you can store a lot of dried meat in a very small

space, I am keeping it in the bottom drawer of the refrigerator for

now. If the power goes off for an extended period, it won't spoil for

several years.

Texas, USA
March 20, 2011 - 11:25 am
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I apologize for the odd spacing. I copied this article from the private portion of my website. I just can't face retyping it all to get the formatting right here. Maybe you can get the idea even if the bulleted lists didn't copy right.



Crab Apple
March 20, 2011 - 11:48 am
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Thanks I am going to give that chicken a try. I get cheap and sometimes free chicken, next time I will have to give this a try.

Grab The Apple Refugee

March 20, 2011 - 12:39 pm
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One of our friends has been canning cooked chicken in quart size Ball jars. She gave us a sample and we made chicken pot pie - delicious! You wouldn't know that the chicken was cooked months ago. I'm pretty sure stored safely in a dark, dry place it would keep for at least a year.

I mentioned elsewhere that I was making venison jerky. But everyone likes it so much I can't keep any around to store.

March 22, 2011 - 6:36 pm
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It will keep much longer than a year. There are many places you can use canned chicken....chicken and dumplings, chicken and rice, chicken pot pies, the list is endless. Thanks to a friend of mine from GTA, I now can all kinds of meat, including bacon.

"  The Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."    John Adams 
Currently, El Paso, Texas
March 23, 2011 - 2:59 pm
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My maternal grandmother used to can sausage in a simple manner. She would cook up the sausage patties as usual, then fit them down into a quart canning jar, then pour in the sausage grease to cover. Then she'd process in a pressure cooker canner.

To fix, just open the quart jar, remove patties and heat up on the stove in a cast iron skillet and serve!

No one in the household ever got sick from it, so I guess it worked!

Might be that she also slaughterd, butchered out and ground her sausage up herself!

Dr Prepper
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August 31, 2011 - 5:09 pm
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Thanks TwoHoot. A dehydrator is in my immediate future and I had been pondering the meat question. Right now I stock up on commercial pork jerkey.


To help ammortize the cost of the fat removal, you can always feed that to your dog.  smile

"Three is two, two is one,one is none."  Prepper's Creed

January 23, 2012 - 5:47 am
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Meat has been preserved for hundreds of years before the advent of refrigeration. Today the most popular ways of preserving meat include making jerky, which is basically a dehydration method, and the age old art of sausage making. Dehydrating meat for jerky and then storing it in an airtight package will keep the meat fresh for later use and is easy to pack. Sausage utilizes hog casings to create an airtight environment where spiced meat can be preserved without refrigeration for future enjoyment. Both methods allow you to experiment with herbs and seasonings to your liking so you can create your own customized preserved meats without the need for refrigeration.

April 13, 2014 - 11:19 pm
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I have been canning meat, poultry, pork, ground meat (both wet & dehydrated) and fish for years.  Last summer I also did some salt fish and it was both easy to do and very effective.  It does take a considerable soak time to get all the salt out before you cook and eat it, but the east of salting it down makes it a keeper for me.  I have also made jerky, but simple dried meats (simpler, no smoking or marinating) but do not find them as palatable (even after soaking & cooking) as the canned.  I guess it is what you are used to.  I have even canned meatballs, meatloaf and cured hams - very nice, you can control what goes in the jars in terms of salt, sugars, seasonings and preservatives, and they are as easy to serve as heat and eat.  So canned gets my vote.

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      One has to consider the totality of the circumstances, and while the P30 and HK45 have blown the Glocks away in some of the independent testing, they stil cost twice as much and have less aftermarket gear available.

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    Actually, during the french revolution they would tie up a priest and a nun together with ropes so they could not swim and throw them into the see or a river.
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  47. shtf has not occured until the $100 bill is toilet tissue. until then you can just buy your way out of a given bad area. Anyone with gold coins could have bought their way out of Argentina.

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    I wouold appreciate any comments.


    • Hello Warren. That is in fact correct. A similar house will be cheaper (even much cheaper!) in Florida, so will cost of living. The average person in Uruguay may get by with 1.000 USD a month, but then again their standards or living are probably not what the average American will be ok with (no car, no restaurants, on fast food,just paying the bills). In Uruguay you have homes anywhere from 50.000 USD to 12.000.000 USD for a house in Las Garzas depending on how much you want to spend. Uruguay is not cheap, but if you are poor its not the worst place to be in in South America. For an American? I'd say stay home.

      • thanks for your reply,
        I still have a question, When the average income in uruguay is low I can understand how people can cut back on expenses like food etc. But you still have to have a house to live in. A $50,000 house for a low income person seems not possible. It would take a generation to pay for it. Not to mention banks would not give loans
        to such low income people.
        If this is the case, there most be a growing population of very poor street people. This is not a good future for uruguay.
        Is this correct?


        • That's very much correct. It takes a lot more work to buy a home and get loans. Its more common for the average Uruguayan to live in the same house he grew up, several generations. they also buy cheaper homes, the kind most Americans wouldnt consider living in.

  49. FerFal: I found your site linked via and the comments section.

    I listen to a radio show called Ground Zero out of Portland, Oregon on KXL (you can listen via app on any phone). The host is Clyde Lewis and he says he spent time in Argentina during the early collapse. Anyhow his point of view is interesting but I wish he was more specific.

    You mentioned food. What kind of food is best after a financial collapse? I don't understand when you say to buy food.

    You mentioned driving to work. I live on the west coast. I have noticed that there is less traffic. There are fewer people driving and during the middle of the day or late at night the roads are empty.

    People in the US have gone to being independent contractors where you have to create your own job.

    I agree that health matters are key. The kind of food you buy is critical. As well as supplements versus medicine. I noticed you sell fish antiobiotics.

    As a veteran my healthcare in the US is substandard. There is limited emergency medical treatment for veterans. The only people getting great medical care at the US Veterans Administration are the federal employees that get Blue Cross / Blue Shield and that are protected from being fired by federal employees unions.

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  50. Bienvenido a Espana Fernando,
    Te leo desde hace anos, y es una de mis visitas diarias
    Espero que aqui seais felices y encontreis lo que buscais.
    En que parte os habeis instalado???
    Si estais por Granada, me encantaria quedar algun dia y conocernos.
    Cuando te mudaste a Irlanda, hablabas bastante mal de Espana y su situacion, es cierto que las condiciones eran duras en aquel momento, y que todo esta cambiando, pero aun asi me sorprende vuestro movimiento.
    De nuevo, mucha suerte en esta nueva aventura. Espana es acojedora, disfritareis.
    Un cordial saludo,


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  71. Boots: I read your post on boots with great interest as I've searched for the ideal boot for 50 years (yes, I'm that old). After using everything from Walmart boots to top-of-the-line boots I've settled on Red Wings, specifically the 931 model. Red Wings are horrible to break in, but reward you with a boot that wears like iron. Unlike the trendy GoreTex Merrill's and other hyped products Red Wings will last literally for decades. Buy them slightly large, wear heavy socks, use Dr. Scholl's insoles and lace them very loosely when they are new until broken in and they will serve you very, very well.

    I don't recommend the slip-on styles of Red Wings as they tend to slip on the heel and are hard to put on/remove. The lace-up boots take longer to put on but wear securely and won't let you down in an emergency situation.

    If I have to go out under bad circumstances, I want my Red Wing 931's on my feet. They're a civilian boot that's actually superior to military spec boots.

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    • When the USA defaults...that is, when it cannot pay back its billions and billions in loans to the IMF and the rest of the world.

      GO to this website to see the US debt.

      When you get to the site look at the upper left hand corner and you will the ever climbing debt. Now look at the upper right hand corner and you will see the debt clock time machine (which is an accurate estimate of the debt only in 1, 2 ,3 , years from now, and so on.) Click on 2020 debt showdown and look at the bottom of the page regarding percentage of debt from the 4 main agencies and you will see between 100- 105% of debt and that means a default on or about that time in 2020)

      When the US debt reaches somewhere in between 20-21 Trillion dollar economists say, the USA will default. This means the US will have borrowed 100-105% of the value of every us dollar ever printed, this will be the case in early February to early March 2020. So the estimate, according to the timeline on the website. Is around Feb-March 2020.. before the USD must be devalued and we have to cut social programs.....That means the value of the dollars goes down. How much? Could be as much as 1/3 to 1/2 its original value. This all adds up to about 28 months to go before we see radical changes start to take place. Like social programs such as Food stamps, welfare, medical care start getting reduced or cut off completely. Government Pensions cut, and Government workers working shorter weeks or being laid off indefinitely. Expect hyperinflation (the cost of things we buy to go up 100-300% or more) and poverty to rise, and crime rates among other things. This is going to happen. No one can stop it. These are facts. Be prepared.

  75. Hello Fernando,

    I just read your book "The modern survival manual", and I have to say I am enlightened. Your book was insightful and compelling as it pertains to the aftermath of a true collapse. You really did a great job in detailing experiences and situations you and others went through. What is so impressive is the wealth of knowledge in every aspect of life during a collapse. I like the honesty, the jokes intertwined with the stories and the candor of how you don't take any sides,(I like the fact that you don't care whose feelings get hurt, you just tell it like it really is because this works and that don't and so on, and so on... I can tell this book wasn't about money, it was actually about saving lives and helping others, but I do hope you make lots of money for the knowledge you put in the books you write, because you and your family deserve it. I appreciate how you methodically "kill" the romantic idea of an apocalyptic wasteland in the wake of an economic collapse and that "life" albeit severely altered, will go on.

    My wife and I even appreciated the part that your wife added at the end, (she should have added more though), I think we need to explore the needs of our families more, how our kids and wives will adjust and what can make it a little easier for them. About me, I was a United States Marine and served almost 15 years (got injured though, but don't worry they're paying of both the Iraq war (two tours of duty there) and the Afghanistan War, and have been to many other countries as well, in some of the worst areas in the world...and I have spent many years of my life "surviving" in war zones, so I have a particular expertise in this realm. Much of what you wrote in your book, I have actually experienced in other countries. The lack of food, the shantytowns, the fact that kids will rob you...and man they are, fast! and what are you gonna do? shoot them? No. You can't just shoot them because they stole a 5 gallon water can off your gun truck. now what do you do? The events that you describe are absolutely true, regarding crime, the breakdown of the infrastructure, the black/gray market, home invasions and corruption of officials (saw it all over Iraq and Afghanistan and in Russia as well). Thanks for the knowledge, expertise and honesty. I am taking your knowledge and "adjusting" accordingly. Want to really know how to use night vision and other optics to your advantage? email me. Keep writing and Thank you!

    • Joseph, than you so much for your kind words. You just made my day. I'm glad to have helped you and your family prepare.

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    • Actually no. Intolerance happens when people dont recognize the right to exist in peace of those that are different. And no one forces you to live anywhere in the EU, thats kind of the point of free movement.

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  80. Hi Fernando,
    I am bit surprised that you are able to relocate in different countries, and moving all your guns with you.
    It wasnt a problem to bring your glock and shotgun from Argentina to North Ireland, and then to Spain??? Too much papers??? No need need of new permits??
    I followed your advice, and I bought a shotgun few years back, and now, I got my permit for pistol. Just waiting the last ok from police to get a nice glock 19.
    As you know, here in Spain you must compite to keep your licence, so hope to see you around.
    The best for 2017.


    • Hello Tomas, no OI dont move around my guns. I keep them in their country. Its too complicated and I like having guns in different places too 😉
      Yes, I do compete. IPSC with my Glock and that cursed 9mm at 25meters which is just insane. I'm trying to get to category #2, so practice, practice, practice. Where are you in Spain?

      • Hi Fernando,
        Nice to read to answer.
        I am living in Granada.
        I still having a month to get my license (as you know, 3 months period of investigations). I am in touch with local IPSC team, so hope to join and start practice and fun.
        I noticed you start recommending good Spanish knives like CUDEMAN or MUELA. Good choices.


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