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Limit on cash transfers in Belgium
January 19, 2012
5:47 pm
FerFAL
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Hi,

Saturday morning on the news in Belgium they said there's soon going
to be a law effective that limits cash payments to 5000 euro max,
and in 2014 this limit would be decreased to only 3000 euro.
Officially it's to limit 'black money'.

Haven't heard much other things about it (no questions, protests, ..)
so it's interesting to follow up if that's only our government being
creative
(which I doubt) or that other European countries will also apply a
similar law, maybe as a way to be able to devaluate the euro currency
in a few years..

What's your opinion and what could one do ? (keep more cash in house
?)

A in B.

Hi!
There’s not much you can do other than contemplate and recognize it for what it is: A way of controlling you, your property and a way of protecting the banks from mass withdraws and bank runs, all wrapped in a nice package with a ribbon on top and a gift car saying its for your own good. It’s funny how that works. With the terrorism and money lawndring excuse they always somehow end up prejudicing and taking away rights from honest people. Pretty ironic since the people behind drugs, terrorism and other illegal activities have no problem moving around and more often than not use the same corporations that actually run countries and place presidents in power.
Having precious metals at hands means that if things really collapse you’ll have value to eventually change for whatever form of currency is being used, may it be Euro2, New Dollar or seashells.
If possible I recommend having a month’s worth of expenses in cash at home in case of emergencies as well. Given the growing limit to withdrawls, this will be an important asset for you in case of a disaster. Ideally I recommend having a month worth of expenses and enough money to buy a plane ticket for each family member. A ticket to where? Hopefully you have a plan for a worst case scenario where you have to leave whatever country you live in. Very unlikely to need this in USA, but maybe in some people’s cases its enough money to get tickets or get a car to move to another State as part of their contingency plan.
Any way you want to put it, having savings is one of your most valuable tools. There’s millions today around the world that wish they had an extra wad of cash and are probably kicking themselves for not saving some during the good times.
FerFAL

January 19, 2012
7:18 pm
Chuck
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Yes that`s right. It´s nothing but "CONTROL", governments don´t want their obedient little sheep to do things big brother wouldn`t aprove of.

Here in Costa Rica we have been living for years with a DEA imposed limit of $10,000 limit on any type of transaction. Anything bigger must be reported to the Banking authority. Oh yes it´s for our own safety because it´s to restrict the drug trade and money laundering. Strangely enough the drug trade is now stronger than ever with CR being an important stepping stone on the way south-north of drug traffic.

Also, this limitation hasn´t impede our politicians to do dirty business with the campaign funds (donated by the very democratic and sedated people of CR via taxes)

Just like gun legislation, communication legislation, etc, either from the left or the right, the issue is nothing but control and dominance from those who really own the government and the institutions.

January 19, 2012
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Chuck
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Yes that`s right. It´s nothing but "CONTROL", governments don´t want their obedient little sheep to do things big brother wouldn`t aprove of.

Here in Costa Rica we have been living for years with a DEA imposed limit of $10,000 limit on any type of transaction. Anything bigger must be reported to the Banking authority. Oh yes it´s for our own safety because it´s to restrict the drug trade and money laundering. Strangely enough the drug trade is now stronger than ever with CR being an important stepping stone on the way south-north of drug traffic.

Also, this limitation hasn´t impede our politicians to do dirty business with the campaign funds (donated by the very democratic and sedated people of CR via taxes)

Just like gun legislation, communication legislation, etc, either from the left or the right, the issue is nothing but control and dominance from those who really own the government and the institutions.

January 20, 2012
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well it happened also in Greece and Italy…In both cases the reason is said to be culling of under-the-table transactions (i.e. tax evasion, money laundering and corruption payments)

One can go around it by splitting payments in the said amount. I guess if really big dirty money is to be paid the number of transactions needed will alert the system.
It does have basis.

What I actualy see as a trend is the Europe is preparing for the dissentegration of the Euro Zone and is trying to avoid bank runs,

January 20, 2012
9:06 am
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Cash Transfers out of the USA are technically legal but subject to so many regulations and reporting requirements that they are hard to do in practice, at least for the individual citizen.

There was an story by Simon Black (not one of my favorite people) illustrating this featured at ZeroHedge earlier this week.

Guest Post: Another Reminder Of How The US Government Destroys Business

The Link is: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/…..s-business

Bottom line summary:

"The whole affair was just another friendly reminder of why I try to avoid doing anything in the US at all. Regulations, financial tracking, consumer protection… it’s just too damn difficult to get anything done."

Cordially,
TwoHoot

PS: What happened to the Editor app?

January 21, 2012
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Seems that this was confirmed this morning over on http://www.survivalblog.com … JP

http://www.survivalblog.com/20…..n_lim.html

Letter Re: Cash Transaction Limits in Belgium
January 21, 2012 6:37 PM

Hi,
Recently on the news here in Belgium they said there's soon going to be a law effective that limits cash payments to 5,000 euro maximum, and in 2014 this limit would be decreased to only 3,000 euro. Officially it's to limit 'black money'. Haven't heard much other things about it (no questions, protests, ..) so it's interesting to follow up if that's only our government being creative
(which I doubt) or that other European countries will also apply a similar law, maybe as a way to be able to devaluate the euro currency in a few years. – A. in Belgium

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January 21, 2012
12:51 pm
GreekMan
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is it remarkable that the 3 countries that such a think was instigated are in the brink of a default?

January 21, 2012
4:01 pm
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I don't really see the point in worrying guys.

The only times I need to pay more than 3000 euros in cash, is when I buy a car. I buy a car every 6 years or so?
If you feel you're wanting to spend more than 3000 euros at once – you pay 3000 cash, and do the rest with your bank card.

They don't prohibit spending more than 3000 euros at once. I guess it is a good way to fight drug-dealers laundrying their illegal money in buying expensive cars or jewelry.

So yes, this must be an effective tool in fighting organised crime.

January 22, 2012
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Ed my friend from europe you are a bit naive if this was not meant ironic.

When I last checked the price of 1oz of gold was Euro 1300.
The people from the US might remember what happened in the 1930s and the gold confiscation, yes?

Now imagine you just realized your bank savings account with say "Uni credit" and your life insurance policy with say "allianz versicherung" is no longer save and secure. You are in your 50s and you cash out say Euro 200,000 – you want it in cash and you bring the money to your favorite gold buillon dealer and buy say 5kg of gold.

You do this for example in Vienna and then visit the private save storage facility called "Das Safe" and rent a lockbox there.

The goverment will never know what you have. Even when they can check your bank account (like they do in germany) at will, they wont find it.
Goverment does not like that. You are now protected from their grip. If you live say in italy or belgium the local goverment will not be able to take away your savings or inflate your retirement away.

They do not like this idea. Right now only a handful of nerds do things like that. Far less than 1%. But when the economy will keep to deteriorate more and more sheople will wake up.

The goverment knows this and has no plans of letting the masses escape. Would ruin their business plan.

January 22, 2012
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some folks just don't get liberty or what it means/ what is required to a be a free man

January 23, 2012
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I've made hundreds of Dollars by having a few hundred bux at 9PM when they needed the money TOMORROW morning before the 'bankers hours'

I made over $1,000 over labor day weekend a couple years ago when the guy sold me his SERBU .50, scope, and LOTTTS of accessories CHEAP because he need MONEY then!

Not plastic.

I always get a better deal with CASH!

Plastic goes down, isn't accepted everywhere… Cash is KING!

That aside, it's NDBBM what I do with my money, or when I want MY money!

$3K? I've more than that in my pocket right now incase I see something I want!

Quote still doesn't work.

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I don't really see the point in worrying guys.

The only times I need to pay more than 3000 euros in cash, is when I buy a car. I buy a car every 6 years or so?
If you feel you're wanting to spend more than 3000 euros at once – you pay 3000 cash, and do the rest with your bank card.

They don't prohibit spending more than 3000 euros at once. I guess it is a good way to fight drug-dealers laundrying their illegal money in buying expensive cars or jewelry.

So yes, this must be an effective tool in fighting organised crime.

January 23, 2012
1:44 pm
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Hi Maldek,

I would love to be able to cash out 200,000 Euros – no bank will accept doing this in one action.

I see why you guys are worried about being limited in spending cash. You want total freedom, you want to be able to see every dollar you own with your own eyes, and convert it to gold if you would like. This freedom you mention for me is purely theoretical. No way I will be buying 10,000 euros of gold cash and stash it in another country so that the government can't know I have it.

If I would do this, I would have to report it to the Feds and pay taxes over my property. When I don't pay taxes over my property, I'm committing a crime that deserves to be punished. Our country has become as good as it is now, because people have always paid their taxes. When everyone hides their gold and money from the government, you get those funny situations like Greece. Anarchy.

I trust my government enough to be willing to pay taxes. :-)

Ed

January 25, 2012
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Hi Ed, the problem with this is that its your property, why should you be treated like a criminal when you are not one, and besides that,why do it knowing that real criminals can afford ways of getting around this anyway, meaning it only ends up restricitng honest peoples freedom and rights? I think its very naive to think its done just becuase they are stupid. Clealry its a way of preventing bank runs if they ever occur, basically its about protecting the VERY rich criminals that cause these type of crisis to beign with.
FerFAL

January 25, 2012
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Hi Fer,
I see what you mean. The general polulace is treated with suspicion, that's for sure. The banks are not our friends. I think they are a necessary evil at best.

I think that preventing bank runs is a good thing. Sure, theoretically everyone should be able to access his own money. But we're doomed if everyone wants to do that at the same moment… you must agree!

If you want to have direct access to your money, you shouldn't give it to the banks at all. But then you shouldn't complain that you have no interest on your savings. It's literally like selling your soul to the devil. The less you trust them, the less money you give them. I do think that governments should maintain strict control over banks though.

Ed

January 25, 2012
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That`s right governments (which are really owned by the banks and several important business conglomerates, in Latin America there are actual people with faces and names) don´t like people doing their own arrangements.

For example, my wife and I are past 45, we need certain pharmaceutical products to get by, no, our country´s dilapidated social security system doesn´t provide for that, and they treat you like cattle, so I go to the drugstore and if I pay using plastic (credit card, debit card, any card) I have to pay up to 8% more due to the bank´s surcharge, now I have an arrangement with the owner and I pay cash, I get 15% rebate, nobody is eluding taxes, there is a legal receipt, only I don´t have to pay the bank it´s share and get a rebate because the drugstore ownwer apreciates cash.

Just yesterday I paid over $200 in pharma products, but at the same time, managed to save at least $25-30.

I love cash.

Now, you can do this when you deal directly with the business owner, not one exploited peon, that´s why you don´t do this at Walmart, or any other chain.

And no, I didn´t spend 3,000 euro or $5000, but who says where it´ll stop.

This is just the begining, expect to have actual currency banned in some years´s time, because it´s more "safe", and of course easy to know who does what.

Being honest, would any of us like to know that our government knows we have some 3,000 rounds of 7.62 X 39 stashed just in case? What do you think control over money is for?

January 26, 2012
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Hi Chuck,
Yeah you're living in a place where a 3000 limit would be more unpleasant. The country and the situation is different from ours.

I would like to notice that you're still able to get more than 3000 euros from a bank, but only cash payments to others over 3000 aren't possible. Wasn't that what it started with?

If you'd not be allowed to get more than 3000 euros from your bank account, that would be worse.

January 26, 2012
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Back many years ago when my grandfather was still alive, he was telling me how he prospered during the "great depression". It was just like Nomad says – "cash is king!"

We keep 3 months of cash "out of the bank" for "just in case". I recently had a new furnace/AC unit put in and saved 10% by paying cash (no check or credit card). It's hard to build up that money, lots of "no dinners out" for the wife and "no six-packs" for me, but definitely worth it, just for the peace of mind.

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February 11, 2012
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cash withdrawals of $3k have been reported by your bank in the US for at least the past ten years, probably longer

my grandfather impressed upon me the value of money at an early age when he used to give me a $1 silver dollar for every year I was alive – back then it was just another $1 – but he told me it was 'real money'

I have NEVER forgotten that

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